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Post by strada on May 24, 2010 20:11:17 GMT
Ive just watch the ppv over the limit and i must say that it was ok ppv
Ted Dibiase vs Ron "Truth" Killings good match and spots
Kofi Kingston vs Drew Mcintyre , a ok match , ending was nice
CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio hair vs join sts best match of the night so far
Maryse vs Eve Tprres no comments
Heart Dynasti vs JerriMiz entertaining match with decent spots
Edge vs Randy Orton this was a really good match , but the ending sucked !
Big Show vs Jack Swagger for the WHC the match had some good spots (show doing push ups ) Loved It =) But Jack got himself DQ but Show beat his ass real good afterwards...
The Main Event I Quit Match Batista vs John "Superman" Cena Cool spots but the match was horrible...
Well that was my thoughts on Over The Limit PPV
Next PPV is Fatal 4 Way June 20th
As always John Cena got the jeers but wwe added more cheers boy is this man a paper champion Vinces Buttboy """
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Post by Valdora on May 25, 2010 2:09:05 GMT
Apprantly Orton was injured last night. A PPV that went from OK to crap very quickly like a roller coster I was on yesterday.
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Post by BlackMage5072 on May 25, 2010 5:58:43 GMT
Actually, the WWE doesn't edit anything on ppv until it's re-released on DVD. So all those cheers were actually there.
Also, Cena is not a paper champion. He does more for that company than a lot of other people do.
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Post by strada on May 25, 2010 21:51:08 GMT
Aren`t they gonna make a news wwe belt , i mean this belt is getting old
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Post by jasonsimmons on May 25, 2010 21:52:58 GMT
i wish they'd make a new one so they can throw that ghetto piece of shit away
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Post by DM on May 26, 2010 1:23:23 GMT
*Jim Cornett will be playing the role of DM*
Hello everyone DM here from the Blacklist, after absorbing RAW and OTL PPV I have decided to give my two cents. Let me first say that anyone whom thought this PPV was utter crap, needs to stop watching wrestling altogether. For the last 48 hours EVERY forum except this one ironic, has said this show was absolutely horrible, I for one, beg to differ, in fact, I embraced this PPV a little bit for just how 'ungimmicked' it was for a change.
The first match was the IC Title with McIntyre and Kofi which I figure they woudl spend more time building but I digress. While I am unhappy with Drew losing I am elated that Kofi won the belt (minus the news reports coming in). It seems no one can get a good run with the minor belts lately which again hurts even though they're having that title close the show on SD! This match was a great opener and again, worth my while.
The second match was DiBiase/Truth and while this was a grudge match that wasn't as bad as I thought it could be. Both sides of the match put on a decent to good show though my only problem is the fact Truth wins with a spinning elbow, but again, not EVERY match has to end with a finisher. DiBiase 'loses all credibility' but I look at it as chapter one in a long going fued. DiBiase winning woudl have been 'predictable' and for once, again, I'm happy with the result, plus, add RAW to it, I'm even happier.
The Third match was the match that 'pissed everyone off to the point of not watching WWE anymore.' People, get over it, his head is shaved, deal with it. Now, while I enjoy BOTH of these athletes in the ring and I thought they put on a great match. Not as good as their Armaggedon match a year+ ago but still, pretty damn good match. I HATED that they stopped the damn match because of the blood, but again, that's WWE now so, I'll keep quiet and not be a hypocrit about it because lets face it, if I hated it so much that I continue to watch it, that says a lot about me. Mysterio wins and while I was still shocked at the result, it was what it was, a dammed good match and Punk loses his hair, even though the segment went a bit long.
Next match was the tag team match I believe and this was a solid tag team match that James would be proud of. Dynasty goes over I have no problem with that.
Orton vs Edge was again another great fued match and I was so into this match, until Orton got injured and the match went to a double count out. At first I was friggin' pissed off but then I realized "Ya know, this match was still good dispite the end, so I'll shut up." Orton is injured it seems and Mr. Anderson couldn't be happier, mind you it was Orton that got him fired but again, whom would you tune in to see? My point exactly. The match was good for what it was worth though I hated the ending, though I feel it was done to protect Orton.
Swagger vs Big Show, well, I was enjoying the match until Swagger lost by DQ. Bullshit ending though I loved how Show beat the shit out of Swagger afterwards, and of course the backstage segment prior. This could have been better, but with Fatal Four Way coming up, you could feel this ending coming.
Eve vs. Maryse, well, it's a Diva's match what more do you want? Next.
Batista vs. Batista. Cena Sucks, Cena Sucks? Right? Is that what I'm supposed to say to the smarky smarks? Fuck them! This match I enjoyed I will admit and I don't care about how much backlash I'm going to get from anyone, I enjoyed this match but compared to their Wrestlemania match, it fails in comparison. Even though we didn't get anything we haven't seen before out of these two, at least they were able to actually have a fight for a change without a ducttape ending. Now again while we didn't see anything new, it was what we knew it was going to be, a fight, and we got that and it delivered. Now, here's my problem and it has nothing to do with the ending, it has to do with the fans. Cena acts all "yeah I"m the shit" which I have no problem with but he picked Batista up and threatens to FU him from the car to the floor. Batista says I quit even though the fans want to see it anyway. Cena accepts the victory, says 'fuck it' and does it anyway, giving the fans what they wanted to see, and yet, they're pissed at it? Why? Didn't he give you what you wanted to see?
Overall the PPV was decent to good but surely not Epic or Great, I will admit that. Now, my big problem, it seems that since WM 25 I have heard NOTHING but how bad the product has become or how stale it has been. I know Cena is a 9000 time champion but he's the hot market right now, there are injuries, that can't be helped, we're stuck in the PG Era so either deal with it or stop watching. If you want you precious Attitude Era, go to TNA and you'll see the flaws. Lately I have seen that each PPV while not epic does show that you don't need blood and guts and an ECW atmosphere to have a 'great' PPV, just pure solid wrestling, which is what they gave us here tonight on this show.
The fans are my biggest problem lately that they are never, EVER satisfied with whatever WWE does, and lately it appears to be either the 'tap out' crowd that shouldn't be watching in the first place because they're outsiders looking in or a demographic that, 'like montreal' is stuck in an era and can't get out. As Shawn once said, it's time to move on with your lives. I am so sick and tired of everyone just bashing a ppv because of the 'results' and yet I wonder, 'did they even watch the dammed match?" I challenge you this, watch the matches, but not the ending, if you're into it, then it was good, if you're not happy with the end, that does NOT soil the match. An ending NEVER soils the match unless the match was so epic that the end literally came from no where and shat on the whole show. Every match tonight, was watchable, enjoyable to some degree and very entertaining, while yes there were flaws and finger pointing to some or most still, just because we were 'wrong on our predictions' doesn't mean that it was shit.
On a flip side there are those that I have seen on YT literally pissed off that all the faces won, but again, they'll be the same people that say "See, I told you he was going to win." What's the point of making a prediction and be pissed off if you're wrong when you're so pissed that you're right all the time anyway? I think the only match I got correct was Dynasty, Cena and Swagger, other than that, I was off the mark, and I loved it.
If wrestling is so predictable and boring why do we continue to watch it, for PPV's like this where, even though not all, they throw us curveballs and make us wonder 'huh, okay, that's different' or 'unexpected' and that's something we want, and yet, the majority of the wrestling community shits on that.
So enclosing to this whole entire epic post here, let me say this, WWE is what it is, it is in the PG Era and they may hit a more 13 spot at times but as far as blood and chairs, that's gone and while that should only be an effect, we should enjoy it while we can. So to the fans that 'want want wan't and 'get get get' and 'whine whine whine' anyway, get the fuck away from me, go back to your UFC bullshit or whatever gets you off in the dark corners of the world and shut the fuck up. While WWE is NO WHERE near perfect at least they are trying. It doesn't put on a 'wrestling show' quite like ROH does I will admit, but WWE is it's own flavor and I think it's slowly starting to come around. Young talent is being pushed, some rivalries are being started, and the predictability is going out the door finally.
So for those of you still reading this, remember what I said, it's not about the end result, it's about whether or not you enjoyed the match for what it was worth. If the flavor of WWE has not suited you, turn it off, make your statement and leave. If you still have a taste for the flavor or still enjoy some or most of what they are doing, accept how it is and continue on. I feel that WWE sometimes either Listens too much or too little to the fans and that is again another problem, I for one will not fall into that system. I will watch what I watch and enjoy what I will enjoy, until WWE puts me off completely and the matches are pure and total shit, then and only then, will I stop watching, but while there are guys putting on damn good wrestling matches or hell even good wrestling matches, I"ll still be happy.
I"m DM From the Blacklist, and I approve this Message.
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Post by Valdora on May 26, 2010 2:55:13 GMT
Epic post DM! I rebuttal if I may:
First of all I will contribute to the Cena discussion: I dislike John Cena's character. And I really don't know why. When I see his promos they all blend together, when I see 70% of his matches nowadays I fast forward or turn off. It's just a feeling I get. I think every fan is infected by the era they start watching. My era was the second half of the attitude era. Now while 1999 generally sucked balls match wise in my eyes now, I didn't see it then, I loved the characters. As we moved in 2000 we then got WWF/WWE at its peak where it had the best of both worlds. In that day the brand was the draw not the single wrestler. Sure people came to see the Rock but they also came to see the whole show. For me the characters and drama come first, the match is a battle scene in a movie. I have never nor will ever think of wrestling as a sport because it has never been presented to me in that way. Now while I can enjoy a great wrestler and a great match, the bases of a great match is storytelling, psychology. I want to watch a match and suspend my disbelief thinking that the men in the ring want to win and will do anything to achieve that goal, I want an epic clash of styles and the big moves and styles are what adds to the battle. The problem I have nowadays is the curtain has been pulled back and yes somewhat it has ruined those naive years of caring about every match. But at the base of it that I know now that that is not really the whole story. Even before I became a "smark", god I hate that word, I was really getting a bad taste in my mouth for the product. This was around 2004. I then missed the majority of the very good 2005 due to not having sky that year and came back just as Eddie died. And I have never truly ever been totally happy with the product since. The wrestling business is a funny thing for me, the more you find out the more you dislike what you are now receiving. I see through the facade now and see WWE as the cookie cutter, manufactured product it has become. Back when I got into WWF it was the rebel heavy metal of the world, now it has become pop music. And while you still may hear a cord of what you loved and the music may be more 'produced' rather than 'raw', you have to listen to the rest of the crap to get there. Now saying that WWE are changing and I truly do really enjoy several angles and directions going on right now. WWE is in a rebuilding period, it is learning its mistakes and hopefully the result will be a better product for us all. The other side of this is that I have come to appreciate a match as match and what goes into it. But while I can really enjoy a great match I have a hard time with one if I don't care about the storyline or their is no story. That is a hurdle I will never get over. To me every great match has a story. To me just a match is like just watching an action movie for the "good bits" and missing the meaty story that build to that climax. What I love about Japanese wrestling is that is is presented as a sport, which I do enjoy, but it manages to keep the magic, more so that the US at times, of what wrestling is. My favorite matches are those involving the best psychology. Without psychology wrestling is just two or more guys just flipping around the ring and pretending to fight and that is not interesting to me. Even the wrestlers who don't talk much have characters, have story lines, that is what makes a good match great and a athletic exhibition a pro wrestling match.
The problem with WWE nowadays is that they are so produced and so manufactured they can't bring their own creative juices to the table as much. Without that creative juice The Undertaker would have been a cheesy zombie and Mankind would have a Hannibal rip off in a cheesy dress up suit (see have a nice day.) Wrestling can not be truly great if the stars simply follow the script and "paint by numbers." The artist has to be able to paint the way he wants to paint. Even if its only a minor tweak that makes the character believable. The problem is that most talent either don't have that skill or aren't allowed to show it. The greatest thing in WWE right now is we are starting to see more of that. The Bryan Danielson storyline for instance is so out of character for WWE to produce and its the best storyline in the company. CM Punk is the best active character in the company because he has made it his own, same for Orton and every star. The question does get asked as to whether that is WWE's fault or that the talent are so used to following the numbers that they don't have the ability to paint their own way.
That is how I see the current product and why I fast forward through most of it.
WWE is stale to me because its cookie cutter most the time and TNA sucks because it trying to copy an old formula that doesn't work anymore, especially without changing it a little.
That said this wasn't a horrible PPV, it had several good matches as you said. What made it a problem is whether we cared or not about the story lines, without that I will continue to fast forward through WWE shows and only stop when a true artist, be it in the ring or the Mic, come on screen.
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Post by DM on May 26, 2010 3:27:31 GMT
We all have our own opinions and while I cannot discredit you or anyone for having a valid opinion and stating obvious facts which of course are true I still do stand by my own decision.
While I agree that WWE has become copy/paste cookie cutter and paint by the numbers, also remember as you said it's in a rebuilding stage. Sadly I can see a PG/Attitude Era mix starting to arise with Cena being 'Hogan' and Orton being 'Austin' just different flavors of the 'cookie' I guess we can call it.
While this of course is going way off topic yeah some of the fueds it's hard to really get into seeing as how i have noticed they're pulling shit from the 1980's Era which of course is hard for your Generation to get into which of course is easy to understand where as with me it's more "Hey they did this in 85" yadda yadda.
Right now it's hard being a wrestling fan because most of the pop has died, lets admit it, the Guerrero/Benoit days are long past us and that incident, both of them, changed wrestling however you looked at it, so this is a hard transition.
I think the even harder part is the smarter you get about anything, whether it be wrestling or star wars or star trek, hell even comic books or video games or ANYTHING that you're into, the more you learn about something can really pull the mystique out of something, which is great to know how it's done but also, ruins the aura, hense why I try to remain, at times, 'ignorant'.
Again while I respect the opinion, and have no problem with the words tossed around because I agree, I do stand by what I had said about the Real Smarky smarks whom literally shit on anything and everything that wrestling is either attempting or trying to do.
I find it nice they're reinventing some of the characters of old into a more modern style and there are a lot of writers whom really need to buckle down, but WWE is a juggernaut, it's hard to really take a side. For me, I'm still a fan even if I at times am sore about the product.
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Post by Valdora on May 26, 2010 3:35:26 GMT
Oh yeah, when I litterally care about nothing I DO turn off or don't watch. Thats the difference between me and as you called them the "real smarky smarks." If I find something I enjoy then I say so, if not then I either don't watch or lose interest. But I always tune in next week because I know eventually on one of the shows I will enjoy something. I am not out to be a critic I just report what I liked and disliked.
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Post by DM on May 26, 2010 3:38:22 GMT
Oh I wasn't calling you the smarky smark, you at least enjoyed the PPV for what is was worth, which more basically a sandwhich without the soda or chips depending upon what you prefer. Granted there are some shows I tend to miss for lack of interest of course, we're all like that
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