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Post by Valdora on Mar 5, 2011 6:28:18 GMT
Only on the surface. Its the smiles, his wink, his entrance, his promos, the annoucer. Its all good.
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Post by BlackMage5072 on Mar 5, 2011 21:03:59 GMT
Sting/AJ at BFG was NOWHERE NEAR Match of the Year candidacy. That was a lucky 3-star at best match. I'm not an anti-TNA mark, because there are some things on TNA that make me enjoy it. Those come once in a great, great while.
Miz being pushed is believable because of the heel factor that he's playing. Granted, they JUST got done pushing a cowardly heel champion in Sheamus, and that was the wrong kind of heel to push him as when he lost the title to Orton. So I DO agree that the cowardly heel is played out too much, but that's not Miz's fault.
Del Rio is this new kind of cocky, arrogant heel that we haven't seen in YEARS. Not only is he cocky, arrogant, and annoying (to the fans that hate him, I love him), but he's GOOD. He wins often and convincingly... but you? You already knew that. *wink*
TNA needs to, as I've said before showcase what THEY can bring to the table, not imitate what WWE does, and they need to take the ECW approach. They CAN'T compete on Vince's level. So DON'T. Just showcase what you have to offer to the table, because TNA has all the correct tools to build an incredible promotion, and an excellent product. Unfortunately, they don't use those tools properly. It would be like using a hammer to do a screwdriver's job.
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Post by alex0816 on Mar 5, 2011 21:33:01 GMT
yes i know that Del Rio is good in the ring, and yes he has clean wins over guys like rey, kofi, ect. but that doesn't help the fact that his character is a hispanic JBL. also the only reason Del Rio is being pushed like he is because, rey is a diva backstage, he demands matches and money and if they have another hispanic in the main event, they can tell rey to fuck off next time he bitches.
am i the only person who liked Sting/AJ at BFG?
no, miz isn't believeable, because he can't beat any1 clean, it's boring, his matches are very boring, and no1 can come up with any good reason he should b champ over Punk,Morrison,Christian, you know actual wrestlers who know how to wrestle, God it makes me sick that the miz and cena are always given 15-20 min matches when they can't wrestle, and bryan danielson match last less than 8 min
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Post by jman on Mar 6, 2011 1:32:38 GMT
I gotta disagree man. Cena can wrestle.....they just dont let him. Hell just look back at his debut match! He went toe to toe with kurt angle and wrestled a damn good match. His debut match! That is impressive!!!  |
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Post by alex0816 on Mar 6, 2011 2:39:58 GMT
jman, his debut match was good cause it was against Kurt Angle, don't matter who Angle facin it will always be good, also the only good matches i've seen Cena have was against guys who can wrestle around him(Angle,HBK,Taker,HHH) and if he can wrestle, why don't wwe let him? that just makes them look stupid, a wrestling company not letting a wrestler wrestle........huh?
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Post by Valdora on Mar 6, 2011 2:57:41 GMT
"Sports Entertainment." Nuff said. But as far as Cena goes yeah he needs to be carried, but if someone helped him learn it rather than rewarding medoricty....
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Post by jman on Mar 6, 2011 3:19:02 GMT
I dont know why. I dont have wwe logic lol. But what im saying is the evidence is there that cena can wrestle. Go back and watch that match. He wrestled a damn good debut match. I hate cena dont get me wrong but im not going to bash his wrestling capabilities because he has shown me before that he can wrestle.
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Post by BlackMage5072 on Mar 7, 2011 11:57:12 GMT
Oh really? The only matches you've seen Cena be good in were matches where he wrestled someone who can wrestle? Did you SEE WM26? He had an excellent match with Batista. Did you watch him wrestle Lashley? That was a superb match. Did you see him when he was a rapper? Cena CAN wrestle. He's always been able to. Does he need to be carried? Yes, but he's not at the level where he ALWAYS needs to be carried like Batista did. Cena CAN make matches good, but they choose to push him like Hogan instead.
Just remember, fans got tired of Hogan for doing the same shit for a lengthy period of time. Fans are now getting tired of Cena for doing the same thing, so hopefully, history will repeat itself and we will get a Cena who's woken up and has told the fans to go fuck themselves, because they turned on him when he's done nothing but go out of his way to have kids look up to him and "be a hero", and entertain everyone. I just hope that, IF it happens, they don't re-hash the NWO again.
And I'll bet you anything that Kurt Angle couldn't get a good match out of Scott Steiner. I mean hell, he couldn't get one out of Matt Morgan in any of their matches in TNA, and he has yet to get a good one out of Jeff Jarrett, and BOTH those guys are accomplished wrestlers. So honestly, as good as Kurt is, he's not perfect. Don't put him on the pedestal of godly wrestlers that can have a great match with ANYBODY. Only a VERY select few wrestlers can have a great match with literally anybody, namely Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker, but even The Undertaker has trouble carrying opponents, where HBK hasn't. After all, HBK had a great match with Batista, and Kurt Angle couldn't get a great match outta Morgan, which is almost an equivalent match.
My big point is this, John Cena CAN wrestle, I've been saying this for years. I've also been saying that they don't LET him wrestle, which is a huge problem in terms of booking and interest value for John Cena. But, the longer this goes, the more it begs for a heel turn, and if it happens, it's possible that it'll be very, very, VERY enjoyable when it does.
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Post by alex0816 on Mar 7, 2011 16:25:58 GMT
WHAT! cena vs tista was mostly nothing but punching and kicking till cena did his usual 4 moves and win match and it dragged for like 20 mins.
and yea fans got sick of hogan but it took wcw to turn him heel, wwe are to pussy to turn cena heel because of merchandise
and angle had very entertaining matches with steiner and morgan, plus his match with jarrett at against all odds was damn good,
again cena is nothing more than a brawler who puts on th esame matches every year and it's repetitive and boring, punch kick punch, get beat down, mount a comback, booooorrringggg, and it's too late to turn cena heel, if they ever do
(which they won't) most people won't care and it won't make him a better wrestler
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Post by jman on Mar 7, 2011 17:08:37 GMT
Again man i got to disagree. I dont think it will ever be too late for cena to turn heel. When he does it will be a game changer in wwe, it will be something fresh and new and it will be epic!
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Post by BlackMage5072 on Mar 7, 2011 19:17:05 GMT
If you liked Stone Cold Steve Austin, then you are a hypocrite. Because he did the exact same thing back in everyone's beloved Attitude Era.
And no, I'm NOT kidding you. Not only did I enjoy that match because I was there, but I enjoyed that match because it was power-wrestling, something that the both of them can do. Power submissions, high impact slams, hard hitting moves. THAT'S what Cena and Batista had.
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Post by Board Admin on Mar 7, 2011 19:39:44 GMT
To add to BM's comment look at Great American Bash 2007, Cena Vs Lashley was a great WRESTLING match, both men had a great match with each other, and you honestly believed that Lashley could have taken Cena. look at the respect both men got in that match, everyone was hooked for it.
Cena CAN wrestle, but it is a mixture of WWE plus whom he faces that changes his style. The problem is, Cena is facing people that are HIS kind of size so that is why people are pissed. If WWE made Cena fight more people that were above and below him then everyone would not be so enraged. BUT Cena can pull out a good match from alot of big guys, Khali at Judgment Day 2007 was not that bad of a match, Umaga at New Years Revolution 2007 was a good match, hell even when he fought Big Show even though the match was slow, it was still enjoyable at the same time.
For example: your in a fight with someone who is larger than you and can beat you down easily, you need to punch and kick and strike the opponent down. you fight someone smaller than yourself and you change your style so that you can have the edge.
Compared to TNA where the guys do a spot for the sake of a spot, the crowd are fucking annoying, the wrestling is below average. the match between Jarrett and Angle was fucking terrible mainly because Angle is at the point of being broken down and Jarrett who is not a full time wrestler. There match at BFG 2008 was far superior and even then people only cared because Foley was appearing in TNA. The problem with TNA is simple, they can't accept that new talent is useful, they think that buy pushing the older stars and pushing EX-WWE Talent they will make a better show, where does this kind of booking make you remember.....W FUCKING CW! TNA is basically the ass on American Wrestling. TNA don't know there left foot from there right foot.
Seriously TNA get rid of all the Ex-WWE Talent, get rid of all the old guys, there is a reason TNA did so well in 2005 to 2007 because it was filled with YOUNG GUYS!!!!
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Post by alex0816 on Mar 7, 2011 21:00:46 GMT
ok lot to comment on, i never seen cena/lashley match so i can't comment on it, cena vs tista wasn't that good imo, austin was a great WRESTLER in wcw and wwf until his neck injury, yes he was a brawler with mostly punch kick matches from 98-99 but the matches were enjoyable and i can't say that about cena, but then after his 2nd surgery, he WRESTLED again and had great WRESTLING matches in 01,cena's matches against khali and show r terrible and boring, match vs umaga was a good brawl tho, don't even say angle is broken, he is STILL the best around today, match vs jarrett at genesis sucked, but they had a good match a AAO
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Post by alex0816 on Mar 7, 2011 21:18:51 GMT
yes james i agree that ex-wwe guys shouldn't be ME all ppvs, aj,joe,ect. should be ME,but im not getting rid of angle,anderson,hardy,rvd,pope, just because their wwe talents, angle got fucked by wwe and he left and he's been having great matches since going to tna, anderson got hurt alot, yea it sux, but besides his concussion, he's been fine in tna and has been much more enjoyable in tna then he ever was in wwe especially in-ring, rvd, another guy that got fucked by wwe, wwe took the passion of wrestling out of these guys and many others and tna and roh got that passion back in them, yes they have a crowed roster(i say get a 2nd show and drop some ppvs but thats a different topic) and how can you pass up on talents like that, and just because aj isn't in the title hunt doesn't mean he's not relevant, plus tna has pushed talent like beer money, MCMG,kaz,morgan, and others
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Post by Board Admin on Mar 7, 2011 21:30:13 GMT
NO Angle left WWE because he wanted to keep shoving down painkillers, WWE offered him Drug Rehab and he said F-U so they released him! Kennedy has been shite where ever he actually went because Kennedy can't wrestle without injuring something. RVD left WWE because he didn't like the way they watered him down so he goes to TNA and has THE EXACT SAME STYLE OF WRESTLING! and Hardy is well the most stupid pick up because of his Drug Charges.
And Yes I did say Angle is broken down, because that's the truth, the guy hasn't had a good match since Lockdown 2008, his matches have been okay at best. The only Match that he actually worked well with was Nigel McGuinness and that's because they both wrestler a similar style. Angle needs to leave now otherwise he will die from a drug overdose!
If you think the match at Against All Odds was good, you need your head examined, it was a storyline with a match attached to it, the match was just bad.
Do you know why Austin had good matches in 2001, BECAUSE HE WASN'T THE FACE OF THE COMPANY! They didn't want to lose Austin in 1998 when he had the hottest feud going so they had to adapt to a new style of wrestling. When he came back that had a billion other guys to use if Austin got hurt. Austin and Cena are one and the same when it comes to what they are perceived as in WWE's eyes. There both cash cow crops and if they are making the money they want to maximise that with the minimilisation of injure to either man!
Yeah TNA pushed Beer Money, Kaz, Morgan and co, only took they three years to fucking realise that they have that talent on there roster. TNA has fucking Alzeimers and the people that are running the company have no clue what to do!
TNA restart your promotion!
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